Telephones...

Today we’re gathering information about constituent telephone numbers and how they are used in your business.  Thinking about constituent telephone numbers in your business…

 

What are some challenges that you have surrounding constituent phones today?

Are there trends you are seeing that could impact phone functionality in the future?

What do you like about telephone functionality in existing Tessitura? 

What would you like to see changed/improved about telephone functionality?

Any other thoughts about phones, your business, and Tessitura?

 

Keep in mind that this may be more than just thinking about the storage and retrieval of telephone numbers.  Try to think overall about how your business interacts with people via phone and how you might expect Next Gen to enable this interaction.

 

Thanks!

Andrew

  • Wish List:

    ·         All phone numbers need to be able (but not required) to be tied to a person, a place, and a time.

    ·         Also, all should appear in one screen, even if they are tied to an address.

    ·         It would be great if phone types could be ranked, both by type (office/cellular/home) and by use. How do you indicate that a certain constituent prefers to be called on her cellular phone during the day and on her home phone during the evening; but in no circumstance should you call after 7 pm unless it’s an emergency?

    ·         I should be able to set up formatting for each country where I have a lot of customers; for those outside my local calling area, I should be able to program in the special codes that aren’t part of the local number (as in the 01144 prefix I need to connect to the U.K.).

     

    Challenges:

    ·         In South Florida, we have the issue of many part-time residents whose phones aren’t in service for large stretches of the year—and we can’t always tell from the phone company’s automated message if the number is no longer valid or just temporarily inactive. So I don’t archive phone numbers until we have attempted to call at several different times of year, including, if possible, the same time of year as the last time we had contact with the customer.

    ·         Many phone numbers came into our system with no real indication of what type of phone number they are—and continue to come in that way via web orders.

    ·         Foreign phone numbers have no formatting.

     

    Fantasy:

    With my Next Gen database and connected phone system, when I call a constituent, I click a “connect” chicklet, and the appropriate number, if I haven’t selected a particular one, is attempted, followed by the next appropriate number in the record, if there is one, until I reach the customer. The database keeps success/failure records for all numbers, letting me know the last time a number connected successfully. If I want, I can look at full call logs (time, duration, userid).

     

    Of course, 10 years from now, phones as distinct communication tools separate from the Internet (whatever that turns into) may be quaint memories…

     

    Lucie

     

     

    From: Tessitura Next Generation Forum [mailto:forums-nextgeneration@tessituranetwork.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Recinos
    Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 5:52 PM
    To: Lucie Spieler
    Subject: [Tessitura Next Generation Forum] Telephones...

     

    Today we’re gathering information about constituent telephone numbers and how they are used in your business.  Thinking about constituent telephone numbers in your business…

     

    What are some challenges that you have surrounding constituent phones today?

    Are there trends you are seeing that could impact phone functionality in the future?

    What do you like about telephone functionality in existing Tessitura? 

    What would you like to see changed/improved about telephone functionality?

    Any other thoughts about phones, your business, and Tessitura?

     

    Keep in mind that this may be more than just thinking about the storage and retrieval of telephone numbers.  Try to think overall about how your business interacts with people via phone and how you might expect Next Gen to enable this interaction.

     

    Thanks!

    Andrew




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  • Additional Challenge: If I have an account where the only address is Venezuelan, I can't indicate that the cellular phone is in fact a local phone number.

  • Hi Andrew,

    We would definitely like to be able to link a number to a person within a record. This is particularly relevant for our education department, as often several customers live at one address but take part in completely different activities and need to be contacted directly on an individual basis about those at short notice. It might even be useful to know the appropriate number for an indidivual in relation to a particular event to allow more flexibility.

    Katie.

  • I think that rise of texting will need to be factored into how Tessitura Next Gen handles phone numbers.  I don’t know enough though about the intricacies of texting to offer specifics beyond maybe a flag to indicate that a number is o.k. for texting.  Some way to send texts directly from Tessitura would be pretty neat, though again I have no idea what is involved in something like that our how feasible it would be.

     

    Something else that I’m sure has come up before but I haven’t seen mentioned on this forum yet is disconnecting phone numbers from addresses, or at least changing it so that it is an optional link you can add to a phone number.  As land lines start to die, this seems to be a critical feature. 

     

    (The irony of this post is that I barely text myself and am pretty fond of my land line)

     

    Kevin Sheehan

    Documentation & Learning Resources Specialist

    Tessitura Network

    1 888 643 5778 ext 329 Office

    ksheehan@tessituranetwork.com

     

  • Right now I would say we're using phone numbers in two ways: Mass solicitation through telefunding/telemarketing and one-on-one contacts with constituents.

    For Telefunding/Telemarketing, it is important for us to know where the phone number is located as we are only licensed to do Telefunding/Telemarketing in NY, CT and NJ.  I guess this is why it can be good to have phone numbers tied directly to an address in some way.

    As far as individual contacts, I think having the ability specify a phone type and to have it controlled at the organization level is great. We can specify that a phone is "N2 Cell" or "N1 Business" or "Assistant Phone".

    I would love to be able to inactivate phone numbers or have seasonal numbers with a date range, or be able to specify what hours are best for calling on a specific number.  Maybe even have "purposes" that are locally created - like in addresses - one of those purposes could of course be Telefunding/telemarketing or not depending on the organization.

    I think the system is pretty good right now.  Our biggest challenge is of course training and getting eveyone to add phone numbers in the right place and the right way. 

    Dale

  • Definitely the ability to indicate a phone as "primary" would be helpful, and/or some sort of phone purpose indicator. Like others, I think the phones should be separated from addresses, with the option to indicate that a phone number is connected to an address for cases when it is.

    A common thing that also comes up is having a plethora of phone numbers and not knowing who in the account ties to which. I know one can (and we have) create extra phone types (N1 cell, N2 cell, etc) but I'd like to see a standard way of indication what phone belongs to what person, perhaps more like the current n1n2 ind sitch. Unless of course the whole customer account issue goes the route where we start dealing with everyone as one person and then those individuals have some means of being grouped together as households or some such, in which case it'd be a moot point.

  • For me, I find that the way telephones are managed currently doesn’t work at all. In part it has to do with bad practices in our previous database that translated into bad data in Tessitura, then of course there’s just the fact that every department seems to have different standards. So a lot of this is user error that will need to be corrected.

     

    The number one thing that does not work for us is phones tied to addresses. Most people have cell phones, and list cell phones as their primary number. When someone inactivates an address they might accidently inactivate the phone number unknowingly which leads to a lot of user error. Plus, there’s also the problem that you never quite know who you’re calling.

     

    We’ve tried to remedy some of this by using phones “below the line”, but even there its often confusing. And often we simply don’t know what kind of phone number it is (though there’s not much Tessitura can do about that!)

     

    Here are the different types of phone numbers we need to track:

     

    N1 Cell

    N2 Cell

    N1 & N2 Home

    N1 Business

    N2 Business

    N1 Assistant

    N2 Assistant

    N1 & N2 Seasonal Home

     

    Those are just the ones that come to the top of my head. I completely second previous responses about how it’d be great to have phone purposes so you know which one is okay for telemarketing, or texting. It would also be great to use these to track night, daytime, or weekend numbers so you know based on the day and time which is the best number to reach them. Especially since we do all of our calling during business hours, but our telemarketing firm calls at night and on Saturday’s.

     

    I feel like phones should be managed like addresses in their own separate tab with the ability to show purposes, perhaps even months in the case of seasonal phones, and notes. Like for example if I was tracking an Assistant phone I would love to have a space that lets me know Mr. Rich’s assistant name is Tracey because who wants to be referred to as Mr. Rich’s assistant?

     

    -Marta

     

  • Former Member
    Former Member $organization in reply to Kevin Sheehan

    I strongly agree with Kevin's point about texting. With the rise and rise of iphones it will surely only be a few years before we are all sending huge varieties of information to phones - multi-media presentations, booking confirmations etc. We will need flexibility to show who owns the phone and for which purposes it can be contacted.

    And on a more mundane level, a story re texting directly from Tess:

    We do an outdoor concert in the park each year.  In case of threatening weather, we would could broadcast a text message advising whether the concert is going ahead.  The concert is not ticketed, but people could register through the website to receive the broadcast direct from Tess.

  • I also think you might want to not just broadcast a text message but set up something on an auto-dialer to call everyone in the event of a cancelled performance.  It would be nice if you could know which phone number could be used for that purpose and if Tess could support the auto-dialer.

     

    Elizabeth Carlock

    Director, Ticketing Services

    The Granada

     

     

    From: Tessitura Next Generation Forum [mailto:forums-nextgeneration@tessituranetwork.com] On Behalf Of Rebecca Cuschieri
    Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 4:27 PM
    To: Elizabeth Carlock
    Subject: Re: [Tessitura Next Generation Forum] RE: Telephones...

     

    I strongly agree with Kevin's point about texting. With the rise and rise of iphones it will surely only be a few years before we are all sending huge varieties of information to phones - multi-media presentations, booking confirmations etc. We will need flexibility to show who owns the phone and for which purposes it can be contacted.

    And on a more mundane level, a story re texting directly from Tess:

    We do an outdoor concert in the park each year.  In case of threatening weather, we would could broadcast a text message advising whether the concert is going ahead.  The concert is not ticketed, but people could register through the website to receive the broadcast direct from Tess.

    From: Kevin Sheehan <bounce-kevinsheehan4372@tessituranetwork.com>
    Sent: 1/29/2010 1:09:30 PM

    I think that rise of texting will need to be factored into how Tessitura Next Gen handles phone numbers.  I don’t know enough though about the intricacies of texting to offer specifics beyond maybe a flag to indicate that a number is o.k. for texting.  Some way to send texts directly from Tessitura would be pretty neat, though again I have no idea what is involved in something like that our how feasible it would be.

     

    Something else that I’m sure has come up before but I haven’t seen mentioned on this forum yet is disconnecting phone numbers from addresses, or at least changing it so that it is an optional link you can add to a phone number.  As land lines start to die, this seems to be a critical feature. 

     

    (The irony of this post is that I barely text myself and am pretty fond of my land line)

     

    Kevin Sheehan

    Documentation & Learning Resources Specialist

    Tessitura Network

    1 888 643 5778 ext 329 Office

    ksheehan@tessituranetwork.com

     




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  • I think my biggest issue with telephone numbers is the nebulous "Day" and "Evening".  It doesn't really help to know when I'm calling a patron - I'd rather know *where* I'm calling them.
     
    For example, our standard practice is to use "Day" phones as business phones (if we have them), and "Evening" phones as home phones (more and more of a rarity these days).  However, a business phone for someone who works nights isn't really a "day" phone, even though we would probably classify it as such given our current SOP.  Also, when patrons create accounts online, they can put in any phone number they want as a day phone - work, cell, home if they're retired, etc.  So in lots of cases we have no way of knowing where a phone number actually exists - as a land line at the home, as a business line, or just connected (literally) to the person in the manner of a cell phone.
     
    This is also part of the problem with phone numbers being tied specifically to addresses - we may have 2 phone numbers for someone (work & home), and if their primary address is inactivated, *both* phone numbers stop showing up, as well.  Even if someone has changed residences it doesn't necessarily mean that they've also changed jobs. 
     
    I do really like the idea of having phone purposes, as well, especially as we try not to telemarket to cell phones (assuming, of course, that we know it's a cell phone number in the first place - people don't always tell us).  I also like the idea of being able to attach a name who's *not* name 1 or 2 to a phone number (as in the "assistant" example that somebody else came up with)........currently there's not a really good place to keep that information in Tessitura as it specifically relates to phone numbers.
     
    Christy


    From: Tessitura Next Generation Forum [mailto:forums-nextgeneration@tessituranetwork.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Recinos
    Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 2:52 PM
    To: Christy Carlson
    Subject: [Tessitura Next Generation Forum] Telephones...

    Today we’re gathering information about constituent telephone numbers and how they are used in your business.  Thinking about constituent telephone numbers in your business…

     

    What are some challenges that you have surrounding constituent phones today?

    Are there trends you are seeing that could impact phone functionality in the future?

    What do you like about telephone functionality in existing Tessitura? 

    What would you like to see changed/improved about telephone functionality?

    Any other thoughts about phones, your business, and Tessitura?

     

    Keep in mind that this may be more than just thinking about the storage and retrieval of telephone numbers.  Try to think overall about how your business interacts with people via phone and how you might expect Next Gen to enable this interaction.

     

    Thanks!

    Andrew




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  • A couple reactions:

    Dale, you mentioned "For Telefunding/Telemarketing, it is important for us to know where the phone number is located as we are only licensed to do Telefunding/Telemarketing in NY, CT and NJ.  I guess this is why it can be good to have phone numbers tied directly to an address in some way."  How is that business practice impacted by the increasing number of people who move but don't change their phone number?  I can't recall the last time one of my friends changed their phone number - even if they move across the country.  Would you want to limit your calling based on "local numbers" (ie area codes in NY, CT and NJ) or "local people" (ie people who live in NY, CT or NJ but might have a cell phone number from their previous residence in MN?)

    Also, I love the idea of "purposes" for phones to make segregation easy, but I would prefer a system-table-based approach like Address Type, where each organization can define as many purposes as they need.  The current mailing purposes system limits the org to 10 purposes total, and it's clunky to rely on a one-digit code to designate purposes.

    Beth

  • Beth,

    We always create our calling lists based on current primary address and I guess that works ok but I still think there has to be a better way for people to know where they're calling before they call. 

    Not only would it be great to know what state you're calling but also what type of number you're calling - cell, landline, VOIP - and where that number terminates - work direct line, work assistant's line,  home, seasonal home, no specific address etc.

    Dale

  • Just thought of a couple other points:
    - I think we'd need a multiple select option (eg one number might need to be marked as OK for marketing, and ok for telefundraising)
    -  We'd also need a way to mark what they are NOT ok for (eg NOT ok for telefundraising).  This would be the equivalent of having them on a "do not call" list.  To my ear, there's a difference between someone who said "yes, you can call me;" someone who said "no, you can't call me;" and someone we haven't asked explicitly - you need both an opt in list AND an opt out list to cover those bases.

    A colleague suggested that perhaps a short comment field would be helpful per number as well - for the one-off needs that always come up with this kind of detailed customer relationship.

    Beth

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    Beth,

    We always create our calling lists based on current primary address and I guess that works ok but I still think there has to be a better way for people to know where they're calling before they call. 

    Not only would it be great to know what state you're calling but also what type of number you're calling - cell, landline, VOIP - and where that number terminates - work direct line, work assistant's line,  home, seasonal home, no specific address etc.

    Dale

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    | Dale, you mentioned "For Telefunding/Telemarketing, it is important for us to know where the phone number is located as we are only licensed to do Telefunding/Telemarketing in NY, CT and NJ.  I guess this is why it can be good to have phone numbers tied directly to an address in some way."  How is that business practice impacted by the increasing number of people who move but don't change their phone number?  I can't recall the last time one of my friends changed their phone number - even if they move across the country.  Would you want to limit your calling based on "local numbers" (ie area codes in NY, CT and NJ) or "local people" (ie people who live in NY, CT or NJ but might have a cell phone number from their previous residence in MN?)
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    | Also, I love the idea of "purposes" for phones to make segregation easy, but I would prefer a system-table-based approach like Address Type, where each organization can define as many purposes as they need.  The current mailing purposes system limits the org to 10 purposes total, and it's clunky to rely on a one-digit code to designate purposes.
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  • One more item to throw into the mix is a way to indicate if a specific phone number is TTY.  A person may have a home phone or business phone that is TTY and it would be great to indicate that as well as home, business, location etc.

  • In addition to what's been said above, here are my thoughts, coming from the perspective of someone who calls constituents on a case-by-case basis regarding enrollment in Education classes:

    1. Challenge: "Phone 1" is assumed to be the home phone, but that's often not the case. "Phone 2" is equally undescriptive. Would like to see: Phones should not be tied to an address at all. As Marta mentioned, it would almost be appropriate to have a second tab or something similar to segregate them.

    2. Challenge: It's too easy to store a phone number without noting exactly who it is for and what kind it is. It is jarring from a customer service perspective to cold call a number without knowing who's expected to pick up. Would like to see: Tessitura should require that every phone number be described in some way, such as by its purpose (cell, home, work), by its person (N1, N2, etc.) or by both. The WebAPI should also help enforce this so that a customer must tell us what kind of phone they're providing before it's stored.  During education class emergencies, it is critical we can know exactly who we're trying to reach and how.

    3. "Out there" kind of thought: There should be an ability to integrate the Tessitura client with the user's phone in some manner that allows the client to dial a call, and the phone to provide an incoming call number to the client. Often when a customer calls I look up their record and their orders as they are talking by searching their number off the caller ID. Automating this function by having Tessitura provide some kind of suggestion ("Is this Mr. Smith calling?") would be phenomenal. There could also be a function where the client prompts the user with a message like "Would you like to store this incoming call number in this constituent's record?"

    That's all I've got for now!