Doubling Fees

Hi all

We have had a problem with fees doubling where events in 2 different seasons are sold together in an order (we have a flat-rate transaction fee). At the moment Ticket Office staff manually remove the second fee, but it does occasionally happen online as well. We have not had any custom code written to stop this (yet).

I remember seeing this on the enhancement lists over the last few years but I'm not sure if a solution came with any of the upgrades.

Does anyone happen to know anything about this?

Thanks!

Katie.

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    Former Member $organization

    Hi Katie

    We find this is a problem when selling for 2 seasons too. The Box Office have to remember to delete the 2nd fee.

    We too would be grateful to hear any suggestions!

    Dawn

     

  • Former Member
    Former Member $organization

    Hi Katie,

    Are all of the seasons that are on sale in the same fiscal year?  If so, then in the Ticketing Season dropdown in the Fees Maintenance tab, we use  - (all in fyear).

    Duane

  • Hi Duane,

    No, not always – they do sometimes cross financial years.

    Katie.

     

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    To: Katie Garvin
    Subject: Re: [Tessitura Ticketing Forum] Doubling Fees

     

    Hi Katie,

    Are all of the seasons that are on sale in the same fiscal year?  If so, then in the Ticketing Season dropdown in the Fees Maintenance tab, we use  - (all in fyear).

    Duane

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    Sent: 11/26/2009 5:14:02 AM

    Hi all

    We have had a problem with fees doubling where events in 2 different seasons are sold together in an order (we have a flat-rate transaction fee). At the moment Ticket Office staff manually remove the second fee, but it does occasionally happen online as well. We have not had any custom code written to stop this (yet).

    I remember seeing this on the enhancement lists over the last few years but I'm not sure if a solution came with any of the upgrades.

    Does anyone happen to know anything about this?

    Thanks!

    Katie.




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  • Hi, everyone -

    We've got the same thing right now, too - again, because they span the financial year. It would be great if anyone had any creative ideas around it!

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    Former Member $organization in reply to Chris Campbell

    Has there been a solution or enhancement in the past couple of years to resolve this issue, of double charging order fees when a shopping cart contains product from two different fiscal years?  This is the first year we have productions on sale across two fiscal years, and is now an issue for us.

    Thanks,

    Duane

  • The only way we’ve been able to avoid the operators having to alter the fees is to manually select which performances in the new fiscal year receive the new fee.  It’s sort of a pain to remember to do when adding the performance but once we stop selling to the old fiscal year, we can just go back to selecting “all”.

     

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    Has there been a solution or enhancement in the past couple of years to resolve this issue, of double charging order fees when a shopping cart contains product from two different fiscal years?  This is the first year we have productions on sale across two fiscal years, and is now an issue for us.

    Thanks,

    Duane

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    Hi, everyone -

    We've got the same thing right now, too - again, because they span the financial year. It would be great if anyone had any creative ideas around it!

    C.//
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  • We also have this problem. With website orders the operator can't remove the extra fee so we have worked around this by adding the following code to the WP_ADD_FEES_TO_CARD SP after the execute dbo.TP_CALC_FEES call.

    Obviously any changes to Tessitura SP's must be done with caution and need to be re-applied after any system version updates.

    Hopefully the enhancement will be implemented in a release soon.

    SQL Code below:

     

    --DH TEMP FIX: REMOVE MULTIPLE POSTAGE FEES

    delete @fees

    --select *

    from @fees tf

    join t_fee f on f.fee_no = tf.fee_no

    where f.category = 0 --category 0 = Online Postage Fee

    and f.fee_no = 11 --only the standard postage fee

    and tf.id NOT IN(select top 1 tf.id

    from @fees tf

    join t_fee f on f.fee_no = tf.fee_no

    where f.category = 0 --category 0 = Online Postage Fee

    and f.fee_no = 11 --only the standard postage fee

    order by f.fiscal_year desc

    )

  • Dara

    Well its been 9 years and fees at an order level are still doubling when performances purchased in an order cross financial years.  Since changing the web site would costs us £££, we chose to add your modification to WP_ADD_FEES_TO_CARD.  We are testing at the moment and so far it is working!  Thank you!

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  • No problem ,

    Glad it works. As Gregg mentioned it would be better if this was party of the core application.

    I did log an enhancement request for this 9 years ago, but it will need others to do the same for it to be an feature worth implementing in the core product. 

  • Hi Gregg 

    When can we expect this enhancement to be in place or actually this defect to be resolved as we really need this functioning properly - order level fees should be at an order level.  The general feeling is that a lot of licensees need this - it still comes up as a topic about every year here in the UK but no one complains anymore as they don't think anyone is listening.

    Thank you

  • Hi Roberta. My apologies for not responding sooner as I was out of the office for the US holiday. I referred this thread over to our Development team as they would be best to update as to any plans on this front. A representative will reply as soon as possible. Thank you. 

  • Former Member
    Former Member $organization in reply to Roberta Harrill

    Roberta, while we certainly see many use cases where multiple order level fees should be applied to an order we do understand the problem that the behavior around multiple order level fees associated with different fiscal years qualifying for a single order poses for some members. While we cannot say at this point whether a change will be made to address this scenario, Development is investigating a way to mark an order level fee as superseding all other order level fees that do not have this indicator.  Any feedback on that approach as a possible solution here?  (We can't yet commit to a time frame, but certainly welcome your comments!)

  • Bob,

    We have also had similar issues with fees in the past.  I am wondering if there might not be a way to have something like pricing rules but for fees where the fee acts as the price type, for example.  Just an idea that might help to both A) solve a situation like this and B) allow a fair bit of additional flexibility with fees in general.

    John

  • Thanks Bob, we also would love something like this. Weve lost revenue and annoyed customers/accountants having to switch fiscal year fees by hand.

    On a super basic level a T_default to apply only one order level fee with Max fiscal year. 

    Although as John says more fee flexibility would be very welcome.