Changes

Hi all,           

Today we are asking about tracking constituent information changes in your business.  If a constituent’s information is changed in any way in the system, what do you need to know about the change?  What are some stories from your business (current and future) where you need to know about additions, removals or changes to constituent information? 

Thanks!

Andrew

  • Hi Andrew,

    In our consortium, at some point or another, we have wished for an audit to be stored on every field in the constituent record.  The bulk of the ones we are concerned about, however, are already in place, name additions/deletions, address changes, etc. along with the old and new values.

    What would really be a great addition is some kind of alert when a piece of information changes on a record I care about.  Did my board member move? Does my corporate contact have a new phone number? Did one of my VIPs get divorced? Is my opening night sponsor organizational record being merged? Is it my favorite subscriber's birthday?

    ~Dan



    [edited by: Dan Taraborrelli at 12:26 PM (GMT -6) on 15 Mar 2010]
  • We’d love some sort of required note on information changes for donors or subscribers – not just an audit trail that says who did the change, but also something to indicate why the change was made.  “Mrs. Lewis called and said her address is changing because they’re moving.” Or “Mr. Williams called to tell us he and his wife are divorcing and to give us his new address.”  Especially with important constituents, we don’t just want to know what was changed, we want to know why.

     

     

    Jeanne DeVore
    Technology Manager
    Chicago Shakespeare Theater
    jdevore@chicagoshakes.com
    312 595-5603
    www.chicagoshakes.com

     

     

    From: Tessitura Next Generation Forum [mailto:forums-nextgeneration@tessituranetwork.com] On Behalf Of Dan Taraborrelli
    Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 12:22 PM
    To: Jeanne DeVore
    Subject: Re: [Tessitura Next Generation Forum] Changes

     

    Hi Andrew,

    In our consortium, at some point or another, we have wished for an audit to be stored on every field in the constituent record.  The bulk of the ones we are concerned about, however, are already in place, name additions/deletions, address changes, etc.

    What would really be a great addition is some kind of alert when a piece of information changes on a record I care about.  Did my board member move? Did my corporate contact get a new phone number? Did one of my VIPs get divorced? Is it my favorite subscriber's birthday?

    ~Dan

    From: Andrew Recinos <bounce-andrewrecinos5925@tessituranetwork.com>
    Sent: 3/15/2010 11:49:28 AM

                Hi all,

    Today we are asking about tracking constituent information changes in your business.  If a constituent’s information is changed in any way in the system, what do you need to know about the change?  What are some stories from your business (current and future) where you need to know about additions, removals or changes to constituent information? 

    Thanks!

    Andrew




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  • I second both Dan and Jeanne's points.
    Having some sort of auto-tickler thing in place based upon constituencies(?) would be a welcome addition and like Jeanne mentions tracking why something is done is sometimes the most important thing to know.
    For example we've been struggling lately with the fact that we don't really know why our patrons mail/phone/email restrictions have been updated and having a required note option available based upon the table being updated
    (as opposed to constituency, or maybe with an "all" constituency option)
    would be nice to have.
    We've tried asking people to include a CSI but unless it is mandatory it can be hard to enforce.

  • We often come across information that has been updated on an account and that information is incorrect or there is research added and it is incorrect.  Sometimes it is an audited area of Tessitura and we can track it back to a user.  Of course sometimes we can find out who made the change but since they no longer work for the company we cannot find out why they changed/added the information.
     
    For a while, when we had a full-time researcher, we would keep track of what research was done, where the information came from and who did the research in the Research-Research area.  That has kind of slipped away.
     
    For some areas of Tessitura it would be great to have a mandatory "source" and "reason" when updating information -For example when changing an address.  I think it would be cool to have a utility that only lets you add/change an address if you say where you got the new address and/or why you're changing the address.  Right now we track source/reason for address changes in Contacts Customer Service but people sometimes forget to add the contact note.

    Dale
  • Hi Dale and others,

    Can you give me a few examples of Source and Reason? Would the source not be the same thing as the user (or in the case of changes made via the web, the constituent themself?)

    Also, would you expect Reason to be free text or something you choose from a list?

    Thanks!

    Andrew

  • I could be wrong but maybe he is referring to source as being basically "Contact Method" like in the current CSI structure and even if not I'm thinking that is a good thing to keep track of anyways.
    I like having the options available in CSI's to record this information including the free text option but like both Dale and I mentioned unless it's mandatory it doesn't really work.
    So with that idea in mind and solely in regards to fields we've established may need some sort of additional required audit information be it dropdowns and/or text it would be nice if when updating those fields either a CSI (assuming they will exist in the next gen) gets generated to fill out or that required additional information gets sent to an audit trail of some sort for reference. 

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    Dilemma: The Box Office has a line of walk-up patrons (with a 20 minute wait for those at the end) to buy a $17 ticket. A member asks the harried ticket rep  to update their address. How many steps will this take before it becomes a disservice to those waiting in line? Does the ticket rep just skip it, if it is too involved?

     

    We need to be careful what we make mandatory or a required field, not all organizations need the audit trail, or would happily relinquish it in the name of efficiency. In the current Tessitura, I would gladly substitute a required telephone number field for a mailing address, and it would speed up some kinds of transactions (and yes, creates a problem with dups…but shouldn’t that be our decision what to require for our institution).

    Thanks!

     

    From: Tessitura Next Generation Forum [mailto:forums-nextgeneration@tessituranetwork.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Recinos
    Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 7:22 PM
    To: rbernard@smm.org
    Subject: Re: [Tessitura Next Generation Forum] Changes

     

    Hi Dale and others,

    Can you give me a few examples of Source and Reason? Would the source not be the same thing as the user (or in the case of changes made via the web, the constituent themself?)

    Also, would you expect Reason to be free text or something you choose from a list?

    Thanks!

    Andrew

    From: Dale Aucoin <bounce-daleaucoin4707@tessituranetwork.com>
    Sent: 3/15/2010 5:31:38 PM

    We often come across information that has been updated on an account and that information is incorrect or there is research added and it is incorrect.  Sometimes it is an audited area of Tessitura and we can track it back to a user.  Of course sometimes we can find out who made the change but since they no longer work for the company we cannot find out why they changed/added the information.

     

    For a while, when we had a full-time researcher, we would keep track of what research was done, where the information came from and who did the research in the Research-Research area.  That has kind of slipped away.

     

    For some areas of Tessitura it would be great to have a mandatory "source" and "reason" when updating information -For example when changing an address.  I think it would be cool to have a utility that only lets you add/change an address if you say where you got the new address and/or why you're changing the address.  Right now we track source/reason for address changes in Contacts Customer Service but people sometimes forget to add the contact note.


    Dale




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  • Good questions Andrew!  My initial thoughts are that reason would be what prompted the address change, something like "returned mail" or "inbound patron call" or "telefunding call"

    Source would be where the new address came from such as "change of address card from constituent", "Lexis Nexis", "411.com".

    Of course in some cases the source and reason would be the same - for example "inbound patron call" - so maybe we don't need both?  Not sure.

    I'm torn as to whether it would be better to have these as dropdowns or free text fields, I think there are pros and cons to both.  The benefit of having dropdowns is convenience and consistency.  Of course I doubt we would ever need to do any serious analysis on this so maybe free text is better to give people the flexibility to put in exact sources and reasons.

    Just some thoughts.
    Dale

  • Andrew,

     

    I think there are also some other things that need to be tracked like if the patron did the updating directly.  I think as we move to a more web centric Tessitura having people directly enter the information becomes more and more the norm, like from Kiosk or from Web Browser or wherever really.  Just to add to the confusion.

     

    Thanks,

     

    Dave

     

    From: Tessitura Next Generation Forum [mailto:forums-nextgeneration@tessituranetwork.com] On Behalf Of Dale Aucoin
    Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 7:32 AM
    To: Dave Alton
    Subject: Re: [Tessitura Next Generation Forum] Changes

     

    Good questions Andrew!  My initial thoughts are that reason would be what prompted the address change, something like "returned mail" or "inbound patron call" or "telefunding call"

    Source would be where the new address came from such as "change of address card from constituent", "Lexis Nexis", "411.com".

    Of course in some cases the source and reason would be the same - for example "inbound patron call" - so maybe we don't need both?  Not sure.

    I'm torn as to whether it would be better to have these as dropdowns or free text fields, I think there are pros and cons to both.  The benefit of having dropdowns is convenience and consistency.  Of course I doubt we would ever need to do any serious analysis on this so maybe free text is better to give people the flexibility to put in exact sources and reasons.

    Just some thoughts.
    Dale

    From: Andrew Recinos <bounce-andrewrecinos5925@tessituranetwork.com>
    Sent: 3/15/2010 7:18:28 PM

    Hi Dale and others,

    Can you give me a few examples of Source and Reason? Would the source not be the same thing as the user (or in the case of changes made via the web, the constituent themself?)

    Also, would you expect Reason to be free text or something you choose from a list?

    Thanks!

    Andrew




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  • I second everybody's thoughts of having some kind of reason associated with certain changes.  We also ask that anyone who makes changes puts in a CSI for certain constituents (based on constituency), but people forget all the time since there's no way to make it mandatory.
     
    However, I'm wondering how that mandatory field would work if the change is being made by the patron themselves online.  Does the system override that functionality online?  Do we assume that if it's the patron making the change then they know what they're doing and let it go?
     
    Also, up to this point the conversation has mostly been about postal addresses - I'd love to see the same thing be possible for names, phone numbers, and emails (especially phone & emails, as those are how we mostly contact patrons, and it's most important for those to be correct). 
     
    I like the idea of whatever pops up (note, CSI, tickler, etc.) of being able to have both a drop-down and a free text field - sort of like a current CSI where you have dropdowns at the top, but then a "notes" field that you can use to provide more information about why the change was taking place.  I also think it would be helpful to have the "mandatory" setting as just that - a setting - that can be added or removed via security.  I think there are situations where it would be inefficient to have to click through 18 fields just because you accidentally spelled someone's name wrong (or they prefer "Jim" to "James", etc.).
     
    Having said that, having the knowledge for sure is a great thing.  For example, I run the Constituent Audit Report every week against a list to catch changes that were made to addresses/phone numbers, etc., that still have some sort of "confirm" flag in the mail/phone/email restrictions.  Now, if a patron has updated his phone number online, it doesn't erase the confirm flag, but I can go into the audit trail and see that it's been updated, and remove the flag manually.  Lots of times, though, I run into changes that were made internally that still have the flag, so it can be a lot of guesswork - did the person just forget to remove the flag when they updated the information?  Was the confirm flag on an account (with old info) that was merged, so it's the *old* information that's wrong, and not the current information?  Sometimes I can track down who made the change and ask them, but the chance that they remember specifically when they've talked to 500 people since then (even in a week) is slim......
     
    Christy


    From: Tessitura Next Generation Forum [mailto:forums-nextgeneration@tessituranetwork.com] On Behalf Of Dave Alton
    Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 8:42 AM
    To: Christy Carlson
    Subject: RE: [Tessitura Next Generation Forum] Changes

    Andrew,

     

    I think there are also some other things that need to be tracked like if the patron did the updating directly.  I think as we move to a more web centric Tessitura having people directly enter the information becomes more and more the norm, like from Kiosk or from Web Browser or wherever really.  Just to add to the confusion.

     

    Thanks,

     

    Dave

     

    From: Tessitura Next Generation Forum [mailto:forums-nextgeneration@tessituranetwork.com] On Behalf Of Dale Aucoin
    Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 7:32 AM
    To: Dave Alton
    Subject: Re: [Tessitura Next Generation Forum] Changes

     

    Good questions Andrew!  My initial thoughts are that reason would be what prompted the address change, something like "returned mail" or "inbound patron call" or "telefunding call"

    Source would be where the new address came from such as "change of address card from constituent", "Lexis Nexis", "411.com".

    Of course in some cases the source and reason would be the same - for example "inbound patron call" - so maybe we don't need both?  Not sure.

    I'm torn as to whether it would be better to have these as dropdowns or free text fields, I think there are pros and cons to both.  The benefit of having dropdowns is convenience and consistency.  Of course I doubt we would ever need to do any serious analysis on this so maybe free text is better to give people the flexibility to put in exact sources and reasons.

    Just some thoughts.
    Dale

    From: Andrew Recinos <bounce-andrewrecinos5925@tessituranetwork.com>
    Sent: 3/15/2010 7:18:28 PM

    Hi Dale and others,

    Can you give me a few examples of Source and Reason? Would the source not be the same thing as the user (or in the case of changes made via the web, the constituent themself?)

    Also, would you expect Reason to be free text or something you choose from a list?

    Thanks!

    Andrew




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  • And I'll add a 'true from life' story to the mix...

    Jane Doe is a subscriber and a high end donor.  Jane calls the box office and tells them that she divorced and has gone back to her maiden name. The box office complies and changes the account. The devo relations manager, who has had a long term relationship with this client, later goes into her account, sees the change in name she doesn't recognize and changes it back to the old married name. (yes, she shouldn't have done that, but that didn't stop her).

    Jane Doe calls the box office because her subscription just came in under her married name. The box office goes in and changes the name again.  And, I kid you not, the devo relations manager sees the new name later and changes it back.

    The box office, thinking there might be a bug in the system, contacts me to see what the problem is, and I play referee between the two departments. This is when we started having CSIs for any changes made to our high end donor accounts that Christy mentioned. Unfortunately, I can't enforce this, so we do still run into problems now and then, but a lot less than we did before.

    Heather
    Seattle Rep 

  • Ray, good point about efficiency.
    I think the idea so far is if something like this existed it would be up to the organization as to if it was marked as required and as Christy says not just limited to postal address.
    Maybe in regards to efficiency and as Dave points out web usage there can be a default set that would not involve any additional input, like a default "source" as Dale describes and a text field that is optional (for internal use, not web).
    Now this obviously would mean that again we run into the problem of what's to stop someone from never doing more than the default but I think when presented with the ability to easily make some additional notations the user would be far more likely to do so if it was right in front of them as opposed to needing to go and create something like a CSI.

    PS. Heather, that is just too funny!



    [edited by: Ryan Rowell at 12:58 PM (GMT -6) on 16 Mar 2010]
  • Former Member
    Former Member $organization

    Hello,

    It would be helpful to capture the reason some data is changed internally.  But, if the process to capture the "why" is mandatory and cumbersome I'm certain it will become meaningless (operators will just start clicking through). 

    Would a free-form Reason field keep operators honest, in that they'd take the time to record the real "why" because there's no other choice, no dropdown?  Of course, they could type "Because" but mgrs could follow up on that kind of reason.  Not sure how a time-sensitive change (in line at the Box Office before a show) could be best managed...allow certain operators an opt-out of the mandatory process?

    We've disabled the ability to make a name change to an account online, because we don't want subscribers to "will" their subscriptions to family or friends with a sneaky name change.  Any name change requests from the web come through as a CSI so that we can investigate.

    Other than a name change, I think the patrons themselves should be able to make any changes directly online without any restrictions at all as long as they're informed of the consequences of changes.  We have QAS online and even when presented with a corrected address the patron CAN opt to keep the address as they entered it.  However, we display clear messaging that if they keep the bad address they might not get their tix in the mail or other correspondence. 

    Thanks,
    Mary

  • Getting back to constituent information that will need to be tracked... any change in the "Member of Link" which connects/disconnects individuals to their groups etc. will most definitely need to be tracked in the future.

    In Heather's example - if the "Member of Link" was inactivated with a reason of "Divorce" would that have prevented the Dev Relations Manager from resetting the name (twice)? Don't know.

    BUT, I would think that it would be mandatory to have those changes tracked - if organizational staff or self-serve web made an update to those links we would most certainly need to know that.



    [edited by: Erin Koppel at 2:47 PM (GMT -6) on 16 Mar 2010]
  • Former Member
    Former Member $organization in reply to Erin Koppel (Past Member)

    Currently, we make extensive use of the Constituent Audit Report so that key staff at each consortium organization can see who has made changes to their donors, subscribers and other VIP records.

    We used to require that anyone making a change to a record send an email to the appropriate contacts at each organization, but, as you can imagine, this did not happen consistently.  We agreed that for our consortium, trying to enforce the use of CSI's was not practical for the same reasons.  However, having an added reason as to why a change was made would be enormously helpful.

    There are a number of fields that aren't audited or that aren't in the standard version of the report, including Program Book Name, Alias, certain Attributes, and Associations.  We are considering trying to customize this report to pull in additional fields we'd like to track.

    As far as future stories go, I agree with Erin that tracking changes to the Member of Link, including a reason for the change, would be very helpful.

    Here are some current real life stories related to how we track (and would like to track) changes.

    Jennifer works for the Art School.  She has a donor, Jane Doe, who is listed in the program book as Jane Doe Foundation.  One week when Jennifer goes to run the program book listings, she sees no entry for Jane Doe.  She looks in Jane's record and sees that the program book listing name is gone.  She doesn't know who made the change or why.  She sends some email around to her colleagues, but no one fesses up, so she adds it back in based on last week's spreadsheet.  She doesn't want to call the donor, because she doesn't want the donor to think we've messed up her record, but she's uneasy about adding the information back into the system in case the change was legitimate.

    John works for the Dance School.  He reviews the constituent audit report every week to see what changes have been made to his big donors who are also involved with other consortium organizations.  One day, he sees on the constituent audit report that a donor's business address has been removed from the system.  He is unaware of any change in employment, so he contacts the department who made the change.  Turns out, the change was made by a work study student in error.  The student corrects the mistake, and the big donor gets the next mailing from the Drama School on schedule.

    Mr. and Mrs. Smith buy tickets and give donations to several of our consortium organizations, but they are most attached to the Science Museum, where they are members.  Mrs. Smith calls the membership manager at the museum to let them know that Mr. Smith has passed away and asks that their account be updated.  The membership manager changes Mr. Smith's name status to Deceased and updates the shared salutations and the museum's salutations.  Jennifer, back at the Art School, sees the salutation update on the Constituent Audit Report and changes the Art School's salutations and their program book listing.  However, John at the Dance School doesn't have Mr. and Mrs. Smith on his watch list, because they are single ticket buyers.  Their ballet tickets are mailed with Mr. Smith's name on them.  Mrs. Smith is upset, because she already informed several University departments of Mr. Smith's death.