Pledges and Fiscal Years

I have some pledges which were made in the middle of this past fiscal year. Our Finance department would like all remaining balances to be placed on the current Fiscal Year. From a Development standpoint the balance should be on the same FY as the initial pledge. Is there anyone else with this issue? How do you handle this situation?

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    I think you are referring to the fact that Finance wants the unpaid balance to show as due in the Current Fiscal Year, right?  If you look at the payment schedule when you booked the pledge, was it to be paid over several years?  If so, did you indicate Current and Future, as appropriate, for each payment? 

     

    If so, you need to run a batch that updates the appropriate Future payments to Current now that you are in a new fiscal year.  There is a special batch type to do this – when you open a new batch, select Future to Current as the batch type, then follow directions.  Since this is done only once a year, I’d advise you to look at the documentation to make sure you are using the right dates when you set up the batch.

     

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    Julie P. Hamre

    Development Associate

    Strathmore Hall Foundation, Inc.

    5301 Tuckerman Lane

    North Bethesda, MD  20852-3385

    301.581.5136; fax 301.581.5201

    www.strathmore.org

     

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    From: Tessitura Development Forum [mailto:forums-development@tessituranetwork.com] On Behalf Of Marie Kocher
    Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 5:01 PM
    To: Julie Hamre
    Subject: [Tessitura Development Forum] Pledges and Fiscal Years

     

    I have some pledges which were made in the middle of this past fiscal year. Our Finance department would like all remaining balances to be placed on the current Fiscal Year. From a Development standpoint the balance should be on the same FY as the initial pledge. Is there anyone else with this issue? How do you handle this situation?




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  • Julie-

     

    I am not sure if that is what I am trying to do. But I will look into it.

     

    But, no the pledges were not over multiple years. Say someone gives a pledge of $540.00 and they want to make monthly payments of $45.00 (12 payments). However they made their pledge and have been paying every month since November 2008. Our finance department wants to put all remaining payments from July 2009-Oct 2009 on the FY10 books.

     

    I don’t know enough financial terms…but am I actually talking about reconciliation, or no?

     

    Thanks for your help.

     

    Marie Kocher

    Development Assistant

    Kansas City Ballet

    1616 Broadway

    Kansas City, MO 64108

    (816) 931-2232

    www.kcballet.org 


    From: Tessitura Development Forum [mailto:forums-development@tessituranetwork.com] On Behalf Of Julie Hamre
    Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 4:26 PM
    To: Marie Kocher
    Subject: RE: [Tessitura Development Forum] Pledges and Fiscal Years

     

    I think you are referring to the fact that Finance wants the unpaid balance to show as due in the Current Fiscal Year, right?  If you look at the payment schedule when you booked the pledge, was it to be paid over several years?  If so, did you indicate Current and Future, as appropriate, for each payment? 

     

    If so, you need to run a batch that updates the appropriate Future payments to Current now that you are in a new fiscal year.  There is a special batch type to do this – when you open a new batch, select Future to Current as the batch type, then follow directions.  Since this is done only once a year, I’d advise you to look at the documentation to make sure you are using the right dates when you set up the batch.

     

    _______________

     

    Julie P. Hamre

    Development Associate

    Strathmore Hall Foundation, Inc.

    5301 Tuckerman Lane

    North Bethesda, MD  20852-3385

    301.581.5136; fax 301.581.5201

    www.strathmore.org

     

    Become a Strathmore Member!

    Support what you love. Members enjoy advance

    ticket purchase, discounts in the Shops at

    Strathmore and Tea Room and access to special events.

     

    Join now at http://www.strathmore.org/support/membership.asp

    or call (301) 581-5135

     

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Tessitura Development Forum [mailto:forums-development@tessituranetwork.com] On Behalf Of Marie Kocher
    Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 5:01 PM
    To: Julie Hamre
    Subject: [Tessitura Development Forum] Pledges and Fiscal Years

     

    I have some pledges which were made in the middle of this past fiscal year. Our Finance department would like all remaining balances to be placed on the current Fiscal Year. From a Development standpoint the balance should be on the same FY as the initial pledge. Is there anyone else with this issue? How do you handle this situation?




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  • Julie-

     

    I am not sure if that is what I am trying to do. But I will look into it.

     

    But, no the pledges were not over multiple years. Say someone gives a pledge of $540.00 and they want to make monthly payments of $45.00 (12 payments). However they made their pledge and have been paying every month since November 2008. Our finance department wants to put all remaining payments from July 2009-Oct 2009 on the FY10 books.

     

    I don’t know enough financial terms…but am I actually talking about reconciliation, or no?

     

    Thanks for your help.

     

    Marie Kocher

    Development Assistant

    Kansas City Ballet

    1616 Broadway

    Kansas City, MO 64108

    (816) 931-2232

    www.kcballet.org 


    From: Tessitura Development Forum [mailto:forums-development@tessituranetwork.com] On Behalf Of Julie Hamre
    Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 4:26 PM
    To: Marie Kocher
    Subject: RE: [Tessitura Development Forum] Pledges and Fiscal Years

     

    I think you are referring to the fact that Finance wants the unpaid balance to show as due in the Current Fiscal Year, right?  If you look at the payment schedule when you booked the pledge, was it to be paid over several years?  If so, did you indicate Current and Future, as appropriate, for each payment? 

     

    If so, you need to run a batch that updates the appropriate Future payments to Current now that you are in a new fiscal year.  There is a special batch type to do this – when you open a new batch, select Future to Current as the batch type, then follow directions.  Since this is done only once a year, I’d advise you to look at the documentation to make sure you are using the right dates when you set up the batch.

     

    _______________

     

    Julie P. Hamre

    Development Associate

    Strathmore Hall Foundation, Inc.

    5301 Tuckerman Lane

    North Bethesda, MD  20852-3385

    301.581.5136; fax 301.581.5201

    www.strathmore.org

     

    Become a Strathmore Member!

    Support what you love. Members enjoy advance

    ticket purchase, discounts in the Shops at

    Strathmore and Tea Room and access to special events.

     

    Join now at http://www.strathmore.org/support/membership.asp

    or call (301) 581-5135

     

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Tessitura Development Forum [mailto:forums-development@tessituranetwork.com] On Behalf Of Marie Kocher
    Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 5:01 PM
    To: Julie Hamre
    Subject: [Tessitura Development Forum] Pledges and Fiscal Years

     

    I have some pledges which were made in the middle of this past fiscal year. Our Finance department would like all remaining balances to be placed on the current Fiscal Year. From a Development standpoint the balance should be on the same FY as the initial pledge. Is there anyone else with this issue? How do you handle this situation?




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  • Former Member
    Former Member $organization in reply to Marie Kocher

    Marie,

    Part of the answer to your question will rest with whether your organization operates on an accrual accounting or cash accounting basis, which your finance team can advise you on. 

    In an accrual accounting environment, a booked pledge in any given fiscal year lives with that fiscal year, so in your example, the entire $540 would live in FY09.  Signed pledges are the driving force in that environment, and even a signed pledge on the last day of your fiscal year, with no cash for months following, would be "countable" for FY09 for development and finance's purposes.  (Although there is still a point at which an outstanding, unpaid pledge would cause a red flag for finance and auditers...but as I'm not a "finance" person, I'm not going to advise.)  My last organization worked on this model, and it was all about the pledges. 

    On the other hand, if you are operating on a cash accounting basis, then finance is correct, in that any remaining payments (beginning July 2009) should rightfully be "counted" in FY10, because everything is driven by cash in the door.  We have actually moved towards using Tessitura to support our cash accounting model where I am now, which means we do have to take the time to "split" pledges...so in your example, $360 would be booked into FY09 (with payments due on a monthly basis through June 2009), with the remaining $180 booked into an FY10 pledge for the remaining payments.

    Don't know if this entirely answers your question?  But maybe it helps!

    Julia Foster

    Director of Annual Giving

    Orange County Performing Arts Center

  • Thank you. This makes sense.

    So then how do you tell Tessitura to count the remaining payments on FY10?

    Each payment that comes in from now on is connected to the original entry with the FY09 Campaign. We have a handful of Auto billing/payment accounts with this issue.


    -----Original Message-----
    From: Tessitura Development Forum on behalf of Julia Foster
    Sent: Tue 7/28/2009 5:53 PM
    To: Marie Kocher
    Subject: Re: [Tessitura Development Forum] RE: Pledges and Fiscal Years

    Marie,

    Part of the answer to your question will rest with whether your organization operates on an accrual accounting or cash accounting basis, which your finance team can advise you on.

    In an accrual accounting environment, a booked pledge in any given fiscal year lives with that fiscal year, so in your example, the entire $540 would live in FY09. Signed pledges are the driving force in that environment, and even a signed pledge on the last day of your fiscal year, with no cash for months following, would be "countable" for FY09 for development and finance's purposes. (Although there is still a point at which an outstanding, unpaid pledge would cause a red flag for finance and auditers...but as I'm not a "finance" person, I'm not going to advise.) My last organization worked on this model, and it was all about the pledges.

    On the other hand, if you are operating on a cash accounting basis, then finance is correct, in that any remaining payments (beginning July 2009) should rightfully be "counted" in FY10, because everything is driven by cash in the door. We have actually moved towards using Tessitura to support our cash accounting model where I am now, which means we do have to take the time to "split" pledges...so in your example, $360 would be booked into FY09 (with payments due on a monthly basis through June 2009), with the remaining $180 booked into an FY10 pledge for the remaining payments.

    Don't know if this entirely answers your question? But maybe it helps!

    Julia Foster

    Director of Annual Giving

    Orange County Performing Arts Center

    From: Marie Kocher
    Sent: 7/28/2009 4:34:27 PM


    Julie-



    I am not sure if that is what I am trying to do. But I will look into it.



    But, no the pledges were not over multiple years. Say someone gives a pledge of $540.00 and they want to make monthly payments of $45.00 (12 payments). However they made their pledge and have been paying every month since November 2008. Our finance department wants to put all remaining payments from July 2009-Oct 2009 on the FY10 books.



    I don't know enough financial terms.but am I actually talking about reconciliation, or no?



    Thanks for your help.



    Marie Kocher

    Development Assistant

    Kansas City Ballet

    1616 Broadway

    Kansas City, MO 64108

    (816) 931-2232

    www.kcballet.org

    ________________________________

    From: Tessitura Development Forum [mailto:forums-development@tessituranetwork.com] On Behalf Of Julie Hamre
    Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 4:26 PM
    To: Marie Kocher
    Subject: RE: [Tessitura Development Forum] Pledges and Fiscal Years



    I think you are referring to the fact that Finance wants the unpaid balance to show as due in the Current Fiscal Year, right? If you look at the payment schedule when you booked the pledge, was it to be paid over several years? If so, did you indicate Current and Future, as appropriate, for each payment?



    If so, you need to run a batch that updates the appropriate Future payments to Current now that you are in a new fiscal year. There is a special batch type to do this - when you open a new batch, select Future to Current as the batch type, then follow directions. Since this is done only once a year, I'd advise you to look at the documentation to make sure you are using the right dates when you set up the batch.



    _______________



    Julie P. Hamre

    Development Associate

    Strathmore Hall Foundation, Inc.

    5301 Tuckerman Lane

    North Bethesda, MD 20852-3385

    301.581.5136; fax 301.581.5201

    www.strathmore.org



    Become a Strathmore Member!

    Support what you love. Members enjoy advance

    ticket purchase, discounts in the Shops at

    Strathmore and Tea Room and access to special events.



    Join now at http://www.strathmore.org/support/membership.asp

    or call (301) 581-5135



    -----Original Message-----
    From: Tessitura Development Forum [mailto:forums-development@tessituranetwork.com] On Behalf Of Marie Kocher
    Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 5:01 PM
    To: Julie Hamre
    Subject: [Tessitura Development Forum] Pledges and Fiscal Years



    I have some pledges which were made in the middle of this past fiscal year. Our Finance department would like all remaining balances to be placed on the current Fiscal Year. From a Development standpoint the balance should be on the same FY as the initial pledge. Is there anyone else with this issue? How do you handle this situation?




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  • Former Member
    Former Member $organization in reply to Marie Kocher

    Marie,

    We actually did a fair amount of clean-up...backing out future-booked pledges from FY09 and creating the pledges for FY10 (and beyond, if applicable).  I imagine our Tessitura administrators ran the unpaid balances pledge report for future fiscal years and then processed one-by-one to back-out and re-book under each constituent.

    Julia Foster