On-Account transfers between Households and Individual

(cross posted to ticketing for extra advice)

Greetings!

We are 10 days into using v11 on our Live server, and have realized a bit of trouble in our processing of money between development and ticketing. We have previously used several different types of On-Account payments, depending on what is getting moved and in which direction, and its been very helpful in financial reconciliation. However, v11 created a new complication because, in essence, ticket transactions are processed on the HOUSEHOLD, but gift transactions are on the INDIVIDUAL (as we have previously marked Name 1/2, and this matches our university system as well).

Previously, in v10, we found a few cases where we needed to "transfer" On-Account between different Tessitura accounts, so we created an in-between check payment type called "On-Account Transfer". Money was debited from one person's true On-Account, and credited to On-Account Transfer; then for the new person, money was immediately debited from On-Account Transfer, and then used acccordingly for tickets or whatnot. Now with our households and individuals, this two-transaction process would happen HUNDREDS of times a year!

Example #1:

Someone buys a subscription online, and tacks on a gift at the end (we use TN Express Web). That money goes into On-Account *to the household (if applicable)* - and we will want to process the gift to an individual.

Example #2:

Someone buys an elevated event, processed in development to the individual who is actually giving the gift. Money for the event tickets is put into On-Account (at the individual level), and would need to be used to pay for the event ticket (at the household level).

(To complicate matters, we realized upon live conversion that our previous year of operating as above has led to tons of On-Account Tracking accounts showing positive/negative numbers in households and individuals, where the individual's amount negates the household amount, or vice versa. Still working on transactions that would zero out the appearance of credit/negative credit in these accounts.)

Is anyone else having this issue, or found a resolution to this issue? I suppose it only effect organizations transacting differently in ticketing and development (household vs individual). Hoping to resolve soon before we dig ourselves into a deeper hole...

 

 

Beth

 

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BETH GILLILAND
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bethgill@umich.edu
734-615-9579 ofc
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[edited by: Beth Gilliland at 12:22 PM (GMT -6) on 23 Jul 2012]
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  • Beth,

     

    Is there any reason you first put the money into On Account?    Could you put it directly into a “Transfer” payment method?      You could also set them up as checks and put the two customer #’s into the check # field (or something similar) to also make reconciliation easier if needed.   We try to avoid creating the extra entries and data in the “On Account”  when we don’t need it, and just use the transfer methods directly.   That at least saves you a few steps.

     

     

    From: Tessitura Development Forum [mailto:forums-development@tessituranetwork.com] On Behalf Of Beth Gilliland
    Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 12:26 PM
    To: Levine, Alan
    Subject: [Tessitura Development Forum] On-Account transfers between Households and Individual

     

    Greetings!

    We are 10 days into using v11 on our Live server, and have realized a bit of trouble in our processing of money between development and ticketing. We have previously used several different types of On-Account payments, depending on what is getting moved and in which direction, and its been very helpful in financial reconciliation. However, v11 created a new complication because, in essence, ticket transactions are processed on the HOUSEHOLD, but gift transactions are on the INDIVIDUAL (as we have previously marked Name 1/2, and this matches our university system as well).

    Previously, in v10, we found a few cases where we needed to "transfer" On-Account between different Tessitura accounts, so we created an in-between cash payment type called "On-Account Transfer". Money was debited from one person's true On-Account, and credited to On-Account Transfer; then for the new person, money was immediately debited from On-Account Transfer, and then used acccordingly for tickets or whatnot. Now with our households and individuals, this two-transaction process would happen HUNDREDS of times a year!

    Example #1:

    Someone buys a subscription online, and tacks on a gift at the end (we use TN Express Web). That money goes into On-Account *to the household (if applicable)* - and we will want to process the gift to an individual.

    Example #2:

    Someone buys an elevated event, processed in development to the individual who is actually giving the gift. Money for the event tickets is put into On-Account (at the individual level), and would need to be used to pay for the event ticket (at the household level).

    (To complicate matters, we realized upon live conversion that our previous year of operating as above has led to tons of On-Account Tracking accounts showing positive/negative numbers in households and individuals, where the individual's amount negates the household amount, or vice versa. Still working on transactions that would zero out the appearance of credit/negative credit in these accounts.)

    Is anyone else having this issue, or found a resolution to this issue? I suppose it only effect organizations transacting differently in ticketing and development (household vs individual). Hoping to resolve soon before we dig ourselves into a deeper hole...

     

     

    Beth

     

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    BETH GILLILAND
    Tessitura System Administrator
    bethgill@umich.edu
    734-615-9579 ofc
    www.ums.org // www.umslobby.org

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  • Beth,

     

    Is there any reason you first put the money into On Account?    Could you put it directly into a “Transfer” payment method?      You could also set them up as checks and put the two customer #’s into the check # field (or something similar) to also make reconciliation easier if needed.   We try to avoid creating the extra entries and data in the “On Account”  when we don’t need it, and just use the transfer methods directly.   That at least saves you a few steps.

     

     

    From: Tessitura Development Forum [mailto:forums-development@tessituranetwork.com] On Behalf Of Beth Gilliland
    Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 12:26 PM
    To: Levine, Alan
    Subject: [Tessitura Development Forum] On-Account transfers between Households and Individual

     

    Greetings!

    We are 10 days into using v11 on our Live server, and have realized a bit of trouble in our processing of money between development and ticketing. We have previously used several different types of On-Account payments, depending on what is getting moved and in which direction, and its been very helpful in financial reconciliation. However, v11 created a new complication because, in essence, ticket transactions are processed on the HOUSEHOLD, but gift transactions are on the INDIVIDUAL (as we have previously marked Name 1/2, and this matches our university system as well).

    Previously, in v10, we found a few cases where we needed to "transfer" On-Account between different Tessitura accounts, so we created an in-between cash payment type called "On-Account Transfer". Money was debited from one person's true On-Account, and credited to On-Account Transfer; then for the new person, money was immediately debited from On-Account Transfer, and then used acccordingly for tickets or whatnot. Now with our households and individuals, this two-transaction process would happen HUNDREDS of times a year!

    Example #1:

    Someone buys a subscription online, and tacks on a gift at the end (we use TN Express Web). That money goes into On-Account *to the household (if applicable)* - and we will want to process the gift to an individual.

    Example #2:

    Someone buys an elevated event, processed in development to the individual who is actually giving the gift. Money for the event tickets is put into On-Account (at the individual level), and would need to be used to pay for the event ticket (at the household level).

    (To complicate matters, we realized upon live conversion that our previous year of operating as above has led to tons of On-Account Tracking accounts showing positive/negative numbers in households and individuals, where the individual's amount negates the household amount, or vice versa. Still working on transactions that would zero out the appearance of credit/negative credit in these accounts.)

    Is anyone else having this issue, or found a resolution to this issue? I suppose it only effect organizations transacting differently in ticketing and development (household vs individual). Hoping to resolve soon before we dig ourselves into a deeper hole...

     

     

    Beth

     

    --------------
    BETH GILLILAND
    Tessitura System Administrator
    bethgill@umich.edu
    734-615-9579 ofc
    www.ums.org // www.umslobby.org

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  • Alan - 

    Good suggestion - our in-between pay type actually is "check" (I edited above) - and for tracking we do indeed put the other account name and ID# so there is some semblance of tracking for audit purposes. So that part works well. I guess we are just leery of putting money in the "big bucket" for an extended period of time before it is pulled back out for ticket or gift purposes.

    We specifically use On-Account currently for the online donations, because we don't want those gifts to be automatically processed into a fund (they are hand converted and entered during gift processing) and On-Account is the only option there. I suppose we could try other payment methods instead of On-Account for the gift-to-tix and tix-to-gift transfers...just need to scrounge up the courage to use the big bucket!

    Thanks for the advice!

    Beth