Dissolving Households

Hi

 

We are in the midst of creating a formal policy to handle the dissolution of households and are wondering how other organizations handle this. Our main questions have to do with the following:

 

1.      How much information do you need before breaking apart a household?

2.      Which partner retains the donation and ticket history?

a.      A main point of concern for San Francisco Opera is who keeps the subscription seats. Our subscribers can renew into their same seats year after year.

3.      How are you interacting with the partner who does not keep the transactional history? As a new patron? As a long-time patron? How do you track this?

 

Our thought is to give the transactional history to the patron making the request (with the caveat being if they were just recently added to the account, the partner associated with the account for longer would retain the history) and if we don’t have new contact information for the partner being spun off the account marking that account as do not solicit until we get additional contact information. Is anyone doing anything different? I am particularly interested in hearing if any organizations are not giving anyone the history and starting each partner with a new account.

 

Thanks
Jess Levy

San Francisco Opera

415-565-3283

  • Former Member
    Former Member $organization
    Hi Jess!
     
    We only have had a few examples where we had to split up households, and in each case we had a much stronger connection with one spouse over the other.
     
    We always gave the transactional history to the spouse who would continue their relationship with City Center.  The other spouse was removed from the household.
     
    In one case the removed spouse resubscribed on his own, but Tessitura-wise he genuinely was starting over with a new subscription, new membership, and new contact information.
     
    -- Mike


    From: Tessitura Development Forum [mailto:forums-development@tessituranetwork.com] On Behalf Of Jess Levy
    Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 7:33 PM
    To: Mariano, Michael
    Subject: [Tessitura Development Forum] Dissolving Households

    Hi

     

    We are in the midst of creating a formal policy to handle the dissolution of households and are wondering how other organizations handle this. Our main questions have to do with the following:

     

    1.      How much information do you need before breaking apart a household?

    2.      Which partner retains the donation and ticket history?

    a.      A main point of concern for San Francisco Opera is who keeps the subscription seats. Our subscribers can renew into their same seats year after year.

    3.      How are you interacting with the partner who does not keep the transactional history? As a new patron? As a long-time patron? How do you track this?

     

    Our thought is to give the transactional history to the patron making the request (with the caveat being if they were just recently added to the account, the partner associated with the account for longer would retain the history) and if we don’t have new contact information for the partner being spun off the account marking that account as do not solicit until we get additional contact information. Is anyone doing anything different? I am particularly interested in hearing if any organizations are not giving anyone the history and starting each partner with a new account.

     

    Thanks
    Jess Levy

    San Francisco Opera

    415-565-3283




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  • Just out of curiosity, does anyone leave a dissolving household intact and create two new individual records, both tightly affiliated to the old record?

     

    Lucie

     

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    IT Development and Training Manager

    FLORIDA GRAND opera

  • Lucie,

     

    I just dissolved a household yesterday subsequent to a divorce.  I created two individual records, associated them as “Ex-Spouse” and maintained their other affiliations.

     

    Melanye

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    MELANYE TAYLOR

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    THE MUSIC CENTER

    135 N. Grand Avenue

    Los Angeles, CA 90012

     

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    F: (213) 972-4301

     

    musiccenter.org

     

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    Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2013 10:37 AM
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    Subject: RE: [Tessitura Development Forum] Dissolving Households

     

    Just out of curiosity, does anyone leave a dissolving household intact and create two new individual records, both tightly affiliated to the old record?

     

    Lucie

     

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    FLORIDA GRAND opera




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    Interesting, I’d like to hear the answer to this as well. Lucie is that what your org is doing?

     

    Kristin

     

    Director of Development

    NASHVILLE OPERA

     

    Direct: 615.986.3567

     

    Noah Liff Opera Center, 3622 Redmon Street Nashville, TN 37209

     

    Save The Earth, It Is The Only Planet With Opera!

     

     

     

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    Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2013 12:38 PM
    To: kmurphy@nashvilleopera.org
    Subject: RE: [Tessitura Development Forum] Dissolving Households

     

    Just out of curiosity, does anyone leave a dissolving household intact and create two new individual records, both tightly affiliated to the old record?

     

    Lucie

     

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    Lucie Spieler
    IT Development and Training Manager

    FLORIDA GRAND opera




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    Hi Jess,

    Did you land on a formal policy for dissolving a household, and would be willing to share what you landed on? I'm trying to tackle this as well.

    I'm also curious to hear from anybody what you do when two donors with an active membership divorce. If you split one person off of the household, do you manually create a membership for the person you removed so that he/she also gets donor benefits for the remainder of the membership? I guess that's a policy question as much as it is a database question.

  • This may be a silly question and answered elsewhere, but how do I remove a spouse from a record as a result of divorce?  As mentioned above, I'm not concerned about what transactions remain on one spouse's record because we have a much stronger relationship generally with the other spouse.  I simply want one's name to be removed from the household (and perhaps become an unaffiliated Individual record).  When trying to delete the record from the relationships tab, I get "An affliation with an A1 value cannot be deleted when there is an existing A2 affiliation (Affiliation/Name Indicator)."  What step am I missing?

    Thanks in advance!

  • Under Constituent > Household Operations, swap the A1 and A2. If you enforce a primary address on an account, give the A2 person an address. Then go to Relationships and delete the relationship. (You might want to create an ex-spouse relationship as well.) Perhaps you will want to collapse the household account and A1 into a single Individual account as well.

     

    Lucie

     

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    Lucie Spieler
    IT Development and Training Manager

    FLORIDA GRAND opera

  • Former Member
    Former Member $organization in reply to Lucie Spieler

    For what it's worth, I've been leaving the household account intact and separate, with the person we have a stronger relationship with still on it and the other person affiliated as ex-spouse. We had a couple of donors we knew to have separated, but they later decided to reconcile. (Apparently. We think.) In this case, changing from ex-spouse back to a primary A1/A2 affiliation was pretty easy.

  • We do the same thing here at the AT&T Performing Arts Center in our consortium as Matthew does.

     

    Teresa L Dean | Tessitura Systems Director | AT&T Performing Arts Center

     

    From: Tessitura Development Forum [mailto:forums-development@tessituranetwork.com] On Behalf Of Matthew Echert
    Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2014 1:06 PM
    To: Teresa Dean
    Subject: RE: [Tessitura Development Forum] Dissolving Households

     

    For what it's worth, I've been leaving the household account intact and separate, with the person we have a stronger relationship with still on it and the other person affiliated as ex-spouse. We had a couple of donors we knew to have separated, but they later decided to reconcile. (Apparently. We think.)

  • Hello,

    We are in a consortium at Segerstrom Center and have a firm policy for how to handle deceased and divorced patrons.  I've uploaded our documentation to My Account page, which you should be able to access via this link:

    http://www.tessituranetwork.com/Community/members/amberalbert9442/files/Tessitura-Version-11-Policy-_2D00_-Deceased-Divorced-Patrons-_2D00_-FINAL.pdf.aspx

    If not, just go to my profile page and click on the file titled Tessitura Version 11 Policy - Deceased Divorced Patrons - FINAL.

    We also have a hard rule that subscription changes must be provided in writing, and that we will not split a subscription between a divorcing couple: the asset may only go to one patron of the dissolved couple.  I know this doesn't work for all organizations, and we do receive complaints from time to time, but we have found it is the best way to protect our organization.

    If you have any questions about our policy (how-to and screen shots included in the PDF), please let me know.  Also as a side note, the screen shots are of a faux group of patrons that were created specifically for training purposes so we wouldn't have to mask information between the Tessitura users in the consortium.  You might notice that the family are close friends with a lady named Mary Poppins.  :-)

    _______________________________________________________

    Amber Newsome

    Manager of Special Campaigns
    Segerstrom Center for the Arts

    600 Town Center Drive, Costa Mesa, CA 92626

    T (714) 556-2122 x 4259   F (714) 755-2712
    E ANewsome@SCFTA.org

     

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    Former Member $organization in reply to Amber Newsome

    Thanks so much for sharing this, Amber! I've been working on a similar document and this is fantastic to have.